Oy vey, no mention of "extermination" or "gas chambers" in Encyclopaedia Britannica 1947-1956!
The Changing Story: Early Doubts
By Mark Weber
From the very beginning there were grave doubts about allegations of mass killings of European Jews. Although such reports were a major feature of the Allies' "psychological warfare" campaign during the Second World War, top British and American officials in a position to know what was going on in German-ruled Europe did not believe what their own governments were telling the world.
In July 1943, the chairman of the Britain's Joint Intelligence Committee, Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, commented: "The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up." At the suggestion of the British government, it was therefore agreed to delete the reference to gas chambers from a joint Allied declaration on German atrocities in Poland that was issued later that year by Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin. (B. Wasserstein, Britain and the Jews of Europe, 1939-1945 [London: 1979], pp. 295-96.)
During the immediate postwar period -- which saw a flurry of often grotesque anti-German atrocity propaganda as well as horrible "revelations" from the Nuremberg trials -- a few thoughtful individuals remained skeptical. George Orwell, for example, wondered in May 1945: "Is it true about the German gas ovens in Poland?" (S. Orwell and I. Angus, eds., The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell [New York: 1968], Vol. 3, p. 371.)
Under the heading "World War II and the Jews," Marcus wrote:
With the passage of time, the scholarly circumspection shown by Marcus in this Encyclopaedia Britannica article has become very rare, even among prominent scholars. Encouraged by an intense and growing media campaign in the United States, historians dealt with the wartime fate of Europe's Jews in an ever more credulous, subjective and even quasi-religious fashion. This trend, which became particularly more pronounced after the 1970s, shows no sign of diminishing.
From The Journal of Historical Review, July/August 1997 (Vol. 16, No. 4), page 38.
y Kiwichap » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:04 am)
You are thinking about Primo Levi.
You can read more about him here http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwitness.html
(in subchapter 8 to be precise)
Yes, such a list would probably open the eyes of at least some people.
I think it's decent. It mostly relies on quotes from Jewish sources and is generally well-written, without too many political rants. However, I don't think it adds much new information regarding zionist control over media, the relation between Jews and bolshevism &c. If you feel that you are already well-read on the subject, there is no need to buy it I think.
By Mark Weber
From the very beginning there were grave doubts about allegations of mass killings of European Jews. Although such reports were a major feature of the Allies' "psychological warfare" campaign during the Second World War, top British and American officials in a position to know what was going on in German-ruled Europe did not believe what their own governments were telling the world.
In July 1943, the chairman of the Britain's Joint Intelligence Committee, Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, commented: "The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up." At the suggestion of the British government, it was therefore agreed to delete the reference to gas chambers from a joint Allied declaration on German atrocities in Poland that was issued later that year by Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin. (B. Wasserstein, Britain and the Jews of Europe, 1939-1945 [London: 1979], pp. 295-96.)
During the immediate postwar period -- which saw a flurry of often grotesque anti-German atrocity propaganda as well as horrible "revelations" from the Nuremberg trials -- a few thoughtful individuals remained skeptical. George Orwell, for example, wondered in May 1945: "Is it true about the German gas ovens in Poland?" (S. Orwell and I. Angus, eds., The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell [New York: 1968], Vol. 3, p. 371.)
Encyclopaedia Britannica Prudence
More remarkable, there is no mention of "extermination" or "gas chambers" in the early postwar editions of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, published from 1947 to 1956 (and perhaps earlier and later). Jewish historian Jacob Rader Marcus provided a prudent and generally accurate description of the wartime fate of Europe's Jews in his essay on modern Jewish history published in these editions of the authoritative reference work. ("Jews," Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1947 and 1956 editions, Vol. 13, p. 63 C.)Under the heading "World War II and the Jews," Marcus wrote:
In World War II the situation of Jewry in the mass settlements of eastern Europe was even worse, for the national socialists set out deliberately to destroy large numbers of Polish and Russian-Jewish civilians. If but a fraction of the atrocities reported were accurate, then many thousands of defenseless Jewish non-combatants, men, women and children, were butchered after September 1939 ...Marcus' relatively reserved treatment of this issue, entirely ignoring the lurid horror stories then in wide circulation, is all the more noteworthy in light of his stature as an eminent scholar of Jewish history. He had studied in Germany during the early 1920s, receiving his doctorate from the University of Berlin in 1925. During his lifetime he authored more than 250 scholarly articles and numerous acclaimed historical studies, including The Rise and Destiny of the German Jew (1934), The Jew in the Medieval World (1938), and a four-volume work, United States Jewry, 1776-1985 (1989-93). At the time of his death in November 1995, Marcus was a distinguished professor of American Jewish history at the Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion.
In the conquered lands, from France to Poland, practically all Jews lost their political and civil rights; their property and businesses were confiscated, and their children, in most lands, were driven out of the elementary and higher schools. They lost the right to freedom of movement and in some lands were even deprived of almost all cultural and recreational opportunities and social relations. Quite a number sought to ameliorate their lot by converting to Christianity, particularly in Slovakia, Croatia, Hungary and Italy ...
In order to effect a solution of the Jewish problem in line with their theories, the Nazis carried out a series of expulsions and deportations of Jews, mostly of original east European stock, from nearly all European states. Men, frequently separated from their wives, and mothers from their children, were sent by the thousands to Poland and western Russia. There they were put into concentration camps, or huge reservations, or sent into the swamps, or out on the roads, into labour gangs. Large numbers of them perished under the inhuman conditions under which they laboured. While every other large Jewish centre was being embroiled in war, American Jewry was gradually assuming a position of leadership in world Jewry.
With the passage of time, the scholarly circumspection shown by Marcus in this Encyclopaedia Britannica article has become very rare, even among prominent scholars. Encouraged by an intense and growing media campaign in the United States, historians dealt with the wartime fate of Europe's Jews in an ever more credulous, subjective and even quasi-religious fashion. This trend, which became particularly more pronounced after the 1970s, shows no sign of diminishing.
From The Journal of Historical Review, July/August 1997 (Vol. 16, No. 4), page 38.
No mention of gas chambers in 1956 Encyclopaedia Britanica?
I recently came across this in David Duke's book Jewish Supremacism (p.277):
Duke claims that this is the only description of what is known today as the "Holocaust" in the 1947, 1952 and 1956 editions of the respected encyclopedia and that nothing about gas chambers or the figure of 6 million dead Jews can be found in them. Quite remarkable if true.
Since I don't have the possibility to check up on this myself (I don't live in an English speaking country, so the only 1956 EB edition available in a public library is probably many hundred miles away from me) could someone please answer me whether what Duke claims is correct or not?
(...) the first thing I did was pull out my much-thumbed volumes of the 1956 Encylopaedia Brittanica. It had only one reference to Nazi atrocities against the Jews. The extensive Second World War article made no mention of Nazi pogroms against the Jews. The edition also has no articles devoted to the "Holocaust". In an article titled "Jews," there was a short section on the Jews during the war. This article, written by Jacob Marcus, perhaps the preeminent Jewish historian in the world at that time, cited many Jewish writers and authorities as sources, including Encyclopedia Judaica, Judishe Lexicon, the Jewish Encyclopedia, and the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia. A pro-Jewish perspective dominated the article, and Marcus described Jewish conditions under the Nazis with these words:
"In order to effect a solution of the Jewish problem in line with their theories, the Nazis carried out a series of expulsions and deportations of Jews, mostly of original east European stock, from nearly all European states.
Men frequently separated from their wives, and others from children, were sent by the thousands to Poland and western Russia. There they were put into concentration camps, or huge reservations, or sent into the swamps, or out on the roads, into labour gangs. Large numbers perished under the inhuman conditions which they labored. While every other large Jewish center was being embroiled in war, American Jewry was gradually assuming a position of leadership in world Jewry." [found in the 1947, 52 and 56 editions]
Duke claims that this is the only description of what is known today as the "Holocaust" in the 1947, 1952 and 1956 editions of the respected encyclopedia and that nothing about gas chambers or the figure of 6 million dead Jews can be found in them. Quite remarkable if true.
Since I don't have the possibility to check up on this myself (I don't live in an English speaking country, so the only 1956 EB edition available in a public library is probably many hundred miles away from me) could someone please answer me whether what Duke claims is correct or not?
y Kiwichap » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:04 am)
Encyclopedia Britannica.
I have owned the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and 14th edition. I did have the 15th edition, but I swapped it with a college, here in Auckland for the 14th. That was when the you-know-who took over Britannica, it flew across the Atlantic and was lost to scholarship forever. It is now a political rag, each subject is writen by a pundit of the faith.
Now the 14 edition of Britannica, [1963] concerning the holocaust says nothing, that is the word holocaust. Under Jew, nothing, yet the subjects are extensive, historically, politically etc.
However under the subject 'World War II', [vol 23] after more than 50 pages of great stuff, in the 'conclusion', talking about the death toll of all belligerants,
And thats it.
Perhaps this was the beginning.
I have owned the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and 14th edition. I did have the 15th edition, but I swapped it with a college, here in Auckland for the 14th. That was when the you-know-who took over Britannica, it flew across the Atlantic and was lost to scholarship forever. It is now a political rag, each subject is writen by a pundit of the faith.
Now the 14 edition of Britannica, [1963] concerning the holocaust says nothing, that is the word holocaust. Under Jew, nothing, yet the subjects are extensive, historically, politically etc.
However under the subject 'World War II', [vol 23] after more than 50 pages of great stuff, in the 'conclusion', talking about the death toll of all belligerants,
"The loss of life because of the privations, cruel treatment and mass murders which were a feature of the axis concentration camps had to be included in any comprehensive record of costs in terms of human lives"
And thats it.
Perhaps this was the beginning.
There was no holocaust.
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
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Thanks for looking this up!
Seems like Duke's claim is correct then. Quite astounding when you think of a) the fact that a Jew (who was not only a historian but also IIRC a rabbi) wrote the passage on the fate of European Jewry during WWII that Duke quotes, and b) that the bulk of the modern Holocaust story was in place (that is, steam chambers, electrocution &c had been thrown down the memory hole) and accepted as an "undeniable fact" by western scholars and populace alike by around 1950.
However, it's not unique. I think Marcus' is more or less part of the same phenomenon as the "missing gas chambers" in the war memoirs of the western allied leaders.
I guess it went down something like this:
After the end of the war and the Nuremberg trials, at least some of the top allied leaders knew, more or less, that the gassing stories were fraudulent propaganda. Also, a number of scholars, such as Marcus, must have guessed the real nature of the 'Extermination' allegations.
Most of those leaders who knew the truth (or part of it) must have thought that the propaganda lies about gassings would be discarded after a few years or at most a couple of decades, in the same way as the anti-German greuelpropaganda was discarded a few years after WWI, when it no longer filled a purpose. When de Gaulle, Eisenhower et.al. wrote their war memoirs, they purposely did not mention the gas chambers, since they foresaw a day when the gassing canard would be exposed as fraudulent. Probably in order to save their future reputations, they decided to neither deny nor mention the gas chambers in their war memoirs. Likewise, Marcus probably thought the gassing allegations wouldn't last that long and therefore wrote down what he thought had actually happened to the Jews of Europe during WWII in the Brittanica entry.
They were all gravely mistaken about the life span of the Myth, and those of them who lived to realize this simply chose to keep quiet, not wanting or daring to investigate the Holocaust story or to expose the fraud. More than 60 years has passed since the end of WWII, and the Myth still serves a purpose, it's still vital - it has in fact grown stronger for each year rather than waned, even if a lot of cracks are starting to show in its fundament of clay.
But this of course, purely speculation. We will perhaps never know for sure.
PS. I remember that I read in some revisionist text a few years ago about some rather well known American historian in whose posthumous belongings a note was found that showed that he disbelieved the Holocaust story. I don't remember his name or what text it was. Someone?
Seems like Duke's claim is correct then. Quite astounding when you think of a) the fact that a Jew (who was not only a historian but also IIRC a rabbi) wrote the passage on the fate of European Jewry during WWII that Duke quotes, and b) that the bulk of the modern Holocaust story was in place (that is, steam chambers, electrocution &c had been thrown down the memory hole) and accepted as an "undeniable fact" by western scholars and populace alike by around 1950.
However, it's not unique. I think Marcus' is more or less part of the same phenomenon as the "missing gas chambers" in the war memoirs of the western allied leaders.
I guess it went down something like this:
After the end of the war and the Nuremberg trials, at least some of the top allied leaders knew, more or less, that the gassing stories were fraudulent propaganda. Also, a number of scholars, such as Marcus, must have guessed the real nature of the 'Extermination' allegations.
Most of those leaders who knew the truth (or part of it) must have thought that the propaganda lies about gassings would be discarded after a few years or at most a couple of decades, in the same way as the anti-German greuelpropaganda was discarded a few years after WWI, when it no longer filled a purpose. When de Gaulle, Eisenhower et.al. wrote their war memoirs, they purposely did not mention the gas chambers, since they foresaw a day when the gassing canard would be exposed as fraudulent. Probably in order to save their future reputations, they decided to neither deny nor mention the gas chambers in their war memoirs. Likewise, Marcus probably thought the gassing allegations wouldn't last that long and therefore wrote down what he thought had actually happened to the Jews of Europe during WWII in the Brittanica entry.
They were all gravely mistaken about the life span of the Myth, and those of them who lived to realize this simply chose to keep quiet, not wanting or daring to investigate the Holocaust story or to expose the fraud. More than 60 years has passed since the end of WWII, and the Myth still serves a purpose, it's still vital - it has in fact grown stronger for each year rather than waned, even if a lot of cracks are starting to show in its fundament of clay.
But this of course, purely speculation. We will perhaps never know for sure.
PS. I remember that I read in some revisionist text a few years ago about some rather well known American historian in whose posthumous belongings a note was found that showed that he disbelieved the Holocaust story. I don't remember his name or what text it was. Someone?
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There is another thread here about a Jewish
"survivor" of a concentration camp. When he first wrote his memoirs,
there was no mention of the gas chambers (or he wrote that they did not
exist... I don't remember).
Later, he was coerced into writing that although he did not see them he is assured they did in fact exist by other people.
Perhaps there should be a "missing gas chambers" hall of fame.
Later, he was coerced into writing that although he did not see them he is assured they did in fact exist by other people.
Perhaps there should be a "missing gas chambers" hall of fame.
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I'm thinking of getting Duke's book...do you recommend it?
The book's also available as a download, but I cant read anything that's longer than five pages on a computer without my eyes hurting. I suspect that I'm not the only one to feel this way...and that's why overly long posts are useless...pack your information as concisely as you can.
http://www.solargeneral.com/pdf/
The book's also available as a download, but I cant read anything that's longer than five pages on a computer without my eyes hurting. I suspect that I'm not the only one to feel this way...and that's why overly long posts are useless...pack your information as concisely as you can.
http://www.solargeneral.com/pdf/
Laurentz Dahl wrote:I recently came across this in David Duke's book Jewish Supremacism (p.277):
(...) the first thing I did was pull out my much-thumbed volumes of the 1956 Encylopaedia Brittanica. It had only one reference to Nazi atrocities against the Jews. The extensive Second World War article made no mention of Nazi pogroms against the Jews. The edition also has no articles devoted to the "Holocaust". In an article titled "Jews," there was a short section on the Jews during the war. This article, written by Jacob Marcus, perhaps the preeminent Jewish historian in the world at that time, cited many Jewish writers and authorities as sources, including Encyclopedia Judaica, Judishe Lexicon, the Jewish Encyclopedia, and the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia. A pro-Jewish perspective dominated the article, and Marcus described Jewish conditions under the Nazis with these words:
"In order to effect a solution of the Jewish problem in line with their theories, the Nazis carried out a series of expulsions and deportations of Jews, mostly of original east European stock, from nearly all European states.
Men frequently separated from their wives, and others from children, were sent by the thousands to Poland and western Russia. There they were put into concentration camps, or huge reservations, or sent into the swamps, or out on the roads, into labour gangs. Large numbers perished under the inhuman conditions which they labored. While every other large Jewish center was being embroiled in war, American Jewry was gradually assuming a position of leadership in world Jewry." [found in the 1947, 52 and 56 editions]
Duke claims that this is the only description of what is known today as the "Holocaust" in the 1947, 1952 and 1956 editions of the respected encyclopedia and that nothing about gas chambers or the figure of 6 million dead Jews can be found in them. Quite remarkable if true.
Since I don't have the possibility to check up on this myself (I don't live in an English speaking country, so the only 1956 EB edition available in a public library is probably many hundred miles away from me) could someone please answer me whether what Duke claims is correct or not?
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Thanks for that link. I've been wanting to read Duke's books.
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disillusioned wrote:There is another thread here about a Jewish "survivor" of a concentration camp. When he first wrote his memoirs, there was no mention of the gas chambers (or he wrote that they did not exist... I don't remember).
Later, he was coerced into writing that although he did not see them he is assured they did in fact exist by other people.
You are thinking about Primo Levi.
You can read more about him here http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwitness.html
(in subchapter 8 to be precise)
Perhaps there should be a "missing gas chambers" hall of fame.
Yes, such a list would probably open the eyes of at least some people.
friedrich braun wrote:I'm thinking of getting Duke's book...do you recommend it?
I think it's decent. It mostly relies on quotes from Jewish sources and is generally well-written, without too many political rants. However, I don't think it adds much new information regarding zionist control over media, the relation between Jews and bolshevism &c. If you feel that you are already well-read on the subject, there is no need to buy it I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw6VJbu3p_o
THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT 38 MEN AND A DOG MURDERED!!!
FIELD McCONNELL WITH THE TRUTH.
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