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Indian anti-corruption official: state “orchestrated” Islamist terror
Mumbai atrocities enabled by intelligence operations of India, "Pakistan" and the United States
by Nafeez Ahmed
Sunday, 28 November 2010
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Debunking the ‘Suicide for 72 Virgins’ Myth
Debunking the ‘Suicide for 72 Virgins’ Myth
theuglytruth . March 5, 2007
One of the biggest Israeli propaganda myths is the invention of 72 virgins as a Muslim reward for suicide. This has been repeated to the western world so often that most people accept it as fact. The media wants us to believe that there cannot be anything wrong about Israelis – who must be seen as eternal victims – to cause anyone to commit suicide as a means of striking back at them. Heavens no! The motivation for suicide bombings in Israel has nothing to do with Jewish treatment of Palestinians. Instead it has to do with the evilness of the Palestinians and their religious beliefs. This is the “bill of goods” they sell the western mind while at the same time faking most, if not all the “Islamic suicide bombings” to blame on Muslims.
It is a sick and despicable mind that feels that it has a right to attack, steal, murder and cause harm to others but if the others dare fight back they are wrong and therefore terrorists. This one sentence describes Israeli thinking and their policies. They believe they are superior and entitled and they have a right to do anything to other people and those people better not retaliate. As a result they have done more by way of propaganda to take the legitimate fight of those who are against their wrongs and demonize them. We now have this ongoing enormous propaganda campaign to make Palestinians and anyone belonging to the same religion as Palestinians, to be seen as mindless terrorists and suicide bombers with no cause other than to do evil. And, of course, vicariously receiving 72 virgins as a reward in paradise for committing suicide to kill a few Israelis.
The Qur’an and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about what happens to anyone who commits suicide. According to Hadiths:
Quote:
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Committing Suicide is a Major Sin:
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445:
Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73:
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection.
——————————————————————————–
There are many more Hadiths condemning suicide but I would also like to reference the Qur’an. Amongst the many verses against suicide here is one that makes it very clear that the taking of one’s life is strongly prohibited and that there is no reward for anyone who does that.
Quote:
——————————————————————————–
But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful!
If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.
Qur’an 4:29 - 4:30
——————————————————————————–
So where did the reward of 72 virgins in paradise for suicide come from? Are there any Islamic teachings we can point to endorsing that?
When we look at the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, we find nothing in it endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead we find the strongest condemnation with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. When we look at Hadiths, which after the Quran is second in authority in Islam, we find nothing in the authentic Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths endorsing suicide. Instead we find strong condemnation for it.
Searching what Muslims refer to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths) we do find something about 72 wives but not virgins. The Hadith we find is the following:
Quote:
——————————————————————————–
Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:
The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]”
——————————————————————————–
This is as a weak Hadith that has no Sanad — line or sequence of narration. Although listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it. Even if the Hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise.
Muslims know that the description of paradise or heaven in Hadiths and Quran is allegorical. If not, then Allah would have allowed us to take our bodies with us when we die. But the vehicle by which we could enjoy the physical things (especially 72 virgins ) mentioned as being in heaven, is left behind here in this world to rot and decay away. So we know for a fact that for heavenly rewards, physical things of this world are used to describe things totally non-physical. A Hadith to keep in mind is as follows:
Quote:
——————————————————————————–
The Prophet said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s Cause).” (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:53)
——————————————————————————–
I am sure that 72 physical virgins are a small part of the whole world to be given to someone who has experienced paradise to come back to. Yet the prophet (saaw) has said that the martyr who experiences paradise would not want to come back to this world even for everything this world has to offer. If he was getting 72 physical virgins in heaven, then surely he would get more than that from the world and would be enticed to come back.
On the other hand, martyrdom in war for an Islamic cause is praised extensively as in the above Hadith. The Quran teaches (3:169): “Do not consider those killed [while engaging] in God’s cause dead. Rather, they live with their Lord, who sustains them!” The Quranic idiom, “killed while engaging in God’s cause” is a reference to martyrdom for acting on being a Muslim, whether as a persecuted and powerless individual or as a warrior fighting in defense of Islam, country, justice, freedom and peace. A Hadith in Sunan al-Tirmidhi states that in contrast to the suicide, the martyr does not even feel the pain of his death (Fada’il al-Jihad, 26:1663). He is also forgiven all his sins and has the right to intercede on behalf of his own family to enter Heaven. So, suicide is forbidden, killing of noncombatants is forbidden, but martyrdom is rewarded with entrance into heaven and, therefore, with great material rewards in the world to come.
What I wrote about Islam’s position on suicide is not secret, esoteric knowledge. It is common knowledge well known and can easily be discerned by anyone doing a very elementary study of the religion. Yet what we have today is the knee jerk, unconscious association of the religion of Islam with suicide bombings. Even to the point where claims of getting 72 virgins are an Islamic prize offered for suicide. This is a cruel and ugly lie about Islam that has been so widely perpetuated that it is accepted as fact. Corrections to the association of Islam with suicide and the killing of innocents are not made in the media. Instead it is glued even tighter by reporting that NOT a person disobeying Islam, but a Muslim imbued with Islamic religious fervor committed a suicide.
We have a media that is too eager to enlighten and spread the word about crazy Muslims killing themselves for 72 virgins. We read and hear everyday about suicide bombers in Iraq killing themselves and other Iraqis with them. We are to believe that a religion that strongly condemns suicide, promises severe punishment in hell for those who commit it and has never had a strategy of using suicide to fight wars until recent contact with Israelis — somehow has spawned the most suicide killers on earth. I don’t believe for a minute that the reports about suicide killings in Iraq are true. Many independent journalists and eye witnesses have reported how Mossad and US occupational forces have staged incidents to make them appear to be Iraqi suicide killings. In fact there are many cases where the perpetrators have been caught.
Oddly enough in this saga about suicide killings we read the following headlines from Israeli newspapers: “Fewer officers to be armed as suicide becomes IDF’s top killer!!!” which you can read more about at the following links:
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/657996.html
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=45975&postdays=
0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=4597e4e2f34898311a77dcb0c3c0f2a7
The leading cause of death for the Israeli Defense Forces is suicide!!! Well, well it looks like suicide is really an Israeli problem and not a Muslim one. Their IDF commit far more suicides than what is being blamed on Muslims. We already know that Israel leads the world in trafficking prostitutes and that there are hundreds of brothels in Tel Aviv. Who knows, maybe having access to one prostitute at a time on a soldier’s salary was not enough for those IDF soldiers. Maybe these soldiers believed the lies told about Muslims and were trying to get their 72 virgins too. See how strong an effect Jewish lies have on their own people.
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One of the biggest Israeli propaganda myths is the invention of 72 virgins as a Muslim reward for suicide. This has been repeated to the western world so often that most people accept it as fact. The media wants us to believe that there cannot be anything wrong about Israelis – who must be seen as eternal victims – to cause anyone to commit suicide as a means of striking back at them. Heavens no! The motivation for suicide bombings in Israel has nothing to do with Jewish treatment of Palestinians. Instead it has to do with the evilness of the Palestinians and their religious beliefs. This is the “bill of goods” they sell the western mind while at the same time faking most, if not all the “Islamic suicide bombings” to blame on Muslims.
It is a sick and despicable mind that feels that it has a right to attack, steal, murder and cause harm to others but if the others dare fight back they are wrong and therefore terrorists. This one sentence describes Israeli thinking and their policies. They believe they are superior and entitled and they have a right to do anything to other people and those people better not retaliate. As a result they have done more by way of propaganda to take the legitimate fight of those who are against their wrongs and demonize them. We now have this ongoing enormous propaganda campaign to make Palestinians and anyone belonging to the same religion as Palestinians, to be seen as mindless terrorists and suicide bombers with no cause other than to do evil. And, of course, vicariously receiving 72 virgins as a reward in paradise for committing suicide to kill a few Israelis.
The Qur’an and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about what happens to anyone who commits suicide. According to Hadiths:
Quote:
——————————————————————————–
Committing Suicide is a Major Sin:
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445:
Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73:
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection.
——————————————————————————–
There are many more Hadiths condemning suicide but I would also like to reference the Qur’an. Amongst the many verses against suicide here is one that makes it very clear that the taking of one’s life is strongly prohibited and that there is no reward for anyone who does that.
Quote:
——————————————————————————–
But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful!
If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.
Qur’an 4:29 - 4:30
——————————————————————————–
So where did the reward of 72 virgins in paradise for suicide come from? Are there any Islamic teachings we can point to endorsing that?
When we look at the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, we find nothing in it endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead we find the strongest condemnation with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. When we look at Hadiths, which after the Quran is second in authority in Islam, we find nothing in the authentic Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths endorsing suicide. Instead we find strong condemnation for it.
Searching what Muslims refer to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths) we do find something about 72 wives but not virgins. The Hadith we find is the following:
Quote:
——————————————————————————–
Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:
The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]”
——————————————————————————–
This is as a weak Hadith that has no Sanad — line or sequence of narration. Although listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it. Even if the Hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise.
Muslims know that the description of paradise or heaven in Hadiths and Quran is allegorical. If not, then Allah would have allowed us to take our bodies with us when we die. But the vehicle by which we could enjoy the physical things (especially 72 virgins ) mentioned as being in heaven, is left behind here in this world to rot and decay away. So we know for a fact that for heavenly rewards, physical things of this world are used to describe things totally non-physical. A Hadith to keep in mind is as follows:
Quote:
——————————————————————————–
The Prophet said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s Cause).” (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:53)
——————————————————————————–
I am sure that 72 physical virgins are a small part of the whole world to be given to someone who has experienced paradise to come back to. Yet the prophet (saaw) has said that the martyr who experiences paradise would not want to come back to this world even for everything this world has to offer. If he was getting 72 physical virgins in heaven, then surely he would get more than that from the world and would be enticed to come back.
On the other hand, martyrdom in war for an Islamic cause is praised extensively as in the above Hadith. The Quran teaches (3:169): “Do not consider those killed [while engaging] in God’s cause dead. Rather, they live with their Lord, who sustains them!” The Quranic idiom, “killed while engaging in God’s cause” is a reference to martyrdom for acting on being a Muslim, whether as a persecuted and powerless individual or as a warrior fighting in defense of Islam, country, justice, freedom and peace. A Hadith in Sunan al-Tirmidhi states that in contrast to the suicide, the martyr does not even feel the pain of his death (Fada’il al-Jihad, 26:1663). He is also forgiven all his sins and has the right to intercede on behalf of his own family to enter Heaven. So, suicide is forbidden, killing of noncombatants is forbidden, but martyrdom is rewarded with entrance into heaven and, therefore, with great material rewards in the world to come.
What I wrote about Islam’s position on suicide is not secret, esoteric knowledge. It is common knowledge well known and can easily be discerned by anyone doing a very elementary study of the religion. Yet what we have today is the knee jerk, unconscious association of the religion of Islam with suicide bombings. Even to the point where claims of getting 72 virgins are an Islamic prize offered for suicide. This is a cruel and ugly lie about Islam that has been so widely perpetuated that it is accepted as fact. Corrections to the association of Islam with suicide and the killing of innocents are not made in the media. Instead it is glued even tighter by reporting that NOT a person disobeying Islam, but a Muslim imbued with Islamic religious fervor committed a suicide.
We have a media that is too eager to enlighten and spread the word about crazy Muslims killing themselves for 72 virgins. We read and hear everyday about suicide bombers in Iraq killing themselves and other Iraqis with them. We are to believe that a religion that strongly condemns suicide, promises severe punishment in hell for those who commit it and has never had a strategy of using suicide to fight wars until recent contact with Israelis — somehow has spawned the most suicide killers on earth. I don’t believe for a minute that the reports about suicide killings in Iraq are true. Many independent journalists and eye witnesses have reported how Mossad and US occupational forces have staged incidents to make them appear to be Iraqi suicide killings. In fact there are many cases where the perpetrators have been caught.
Oddly enough in this saga about suicide killings we read the following headlines from Israeli newspapers: “Fewer officers to be armed as suicide becomes IDF’s top killer!!!” which you can read more about at the following links:
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/657996.html
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=45975&postdays=
0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=4597e4e2f34898311a77dcb0c3c0f2a7
The leading cause of death for the Israeli Defense Forces is suicide!!! Well, well it looks like suicide is really an Israeli problem and not a Muslim one. Their IDF commit far more suicides than what is being blamed on Muslims. We already know that Israel leads the world in trafficking prostitutes and that there are hundreds of brothels in Tel Aviv. Who knows, maybe having access to one prostitute at a time on a soldier’s salary was not enough for those IDF soldiers. Maybe these soldiers believed the lies told about Muslims and were trying to get their 72 virgins too. See how strong an effect Jewish lies have on their own people.
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US and India exploiting Zionist-RAW Mumbai attacks
India’s Case Has Weakened After Two Years on the tragedy but Washington is using it to blackmail Pakistan. Here’s How.
AHMED QURAISHI | Saturday | 27 November 2010
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Two year later, no one has probed the international aspect of the planning for the Mumbai attacks. Both India and the United States are focused only on the alleged Pakistani part of the attacks. The Pakistani part is limited. The international dimension of the planning and preparations for the attacks is vast and full of leads that have been deliberately suppressed by the Indian and US governments.
India is focused on settling political scores with Lashkar-e-Tayyeba. The United States insists on becoming a party to the Mumbai attack and is using the group’s name to peddle conspiracy theories about LeT’s ‘global ambitions’ in order to pressurize Pakistan on the Afghan front and rid India of one of its most formidable Kashmiri foes.
India is yet to convict the lone surviving terrorist in the attacks, Ajmal Kassab. New Delhi is yet to reveal crucial parts of its own probe, especially any information on the backgrounds and identities of the ten terrorists who carried out an impressive attack against India on Indian soil with near impunity.
By delaying the conviction of Kassab for two years, India has lost the credibility of its case and weakened its allegations against Pakistan. The only reason there’s no conviction is because there’s no evidence. And as time passes, more information emerges about the international aspects of this crime. The new information further weakens India’s get-Pakistan campaign.
That’s good news for Pakistan. But there’s a whole bundle of trouble for Pakistan that has developed since 2008. It would be suicidal for the Pakistani government to ignore it:
1. India has used the attacks as cover to settle scores with Kashmiri and pro-Kashmir groups like Lashkar-e-Tayyeba [LeT]. These groups have given India's military a bloody nose in Kashmir in the 21 years since the start of armed struggle by Kashmiris against Indian occupation. These groups are naturally based in Pakistan due to a large number of Pakistanis being of Kashmiri heritage and because of Kashmir’s geographical contiguity with Pakistan. India has used the attacks to advocate Israel-style limited aerial strikes inside Pakistan against the offices of the Kashmiri and pro-Kashmir groups. Perpetrators of Mumbai attacks must be punished, but India and its enthusiasts in Washington must not be allowed to use this as a pretext to suppress legitimate Kashmiri freedom activism.
2. There is no evidence so far linking LeT and other Kashmiri or pro-Kashmir groups to Mumbai attacks. The India’s case is built on two threads. One is the person presented by the Indian police as the lone surviving terrorist. If the Indian version of interrogations is to be believed, Ajmal Kassab is supposed to have provided an insider account of alleged Pakistani/Kashmiri/LeT involvement. Experts know that young operatives in such terror cases are often low-level pawns with little knowledge about the real organizers and planners. Knowing this, it is easy to see how this suspect can't provide useful info beyond a certain point, which is his immediate involvement with the group that carried out the attacks. And even here, it is worth exploring why Indian interrogators failed to extract and release any information about the other 10 attackers: their identities, names, places of origin, etc. The second thread on which India's case is built is the Internet. There's a lot of confusing material on voice-over-Internet and cell phone communications passing through third-country telecom networks. This involves several countries beyond Pakistan and India. It makes Mumbai attacks a truly multinational crime and suggests possibilities for the involvement of criminal and intelligence cells in those third countries in some aspects of the Mumbai attack plan. This contradicts India's position that all investigation be focused on Pakistan and pro-Kashmir groups.
3. The CIA-FBI angle: What confirms the point above is evidence that a longtime FBI agent, a half-Pakistani named David Headley, was recruited by CIA and planted close to LeT and other pro-Kashmir activists in Pakistan. Islamabad has smartly refrained from commenting on his case. The Indian government has its own suspicions but it too won't probe the Americans too hard on them beyond occasional murmurs. This further weakens the Indian case in any impartial judicial review.
4. The US is exploiting Mumbai attacks more than the Indians. Washington is making itself party to the case simply because one or two Americans were involved. This is fascinating because an Australian priest and his two underage kids were burned alive in 1999 and Australia never pursued the case. Nor did any of the American Christian organizations that are at the forefront today in demonizing Islam.
5. This fall, Washington has come out with incredible and fantastical theories about a threat to US and Europe from LeT. In some cases US officials have put LeT ahead of al-Qaeda as a bigger threat. US officials have also tailored new threats to suit LeT's Mumbai-related profile by, for example, insisting that Europe is facing the possibility of 'Mumbai-style attacks.' US officials have also theorized that LeT suddenly has 'global ambitions'. None of these American presentations and conspiracy theories comes with evidence. The LeT and other Kashmiri groups were created because of massive Indian military atrocities in Kashmir, including rapes and Serbian-style mass graves. Victims produce motivated cadres that seek revenge. They are focused on Kashmir and India's role in this tragedy. These groups and their activists don't have global ambitions.
6. It is US policy now that Pakistan relinquish its historic claim to Indian occupied Kashmir. If Pakistan complies, it won't have any reason to object to a major Indian role in Afghanistan in support of the United States and as part of a common Indian-Pakistani-American-NATO front hedging China, Iran and Russia.
The one crucial recommendation that Pakistan's political and intelligence officials must consider before it is too late is this: Declare firmly and clearly that Pakistan will not and cannot be held responsible for terror attacks in third countries carried out by the citizens of those countries. David Headley is American. So is Faisal Shahzad, and the Germans alleged by CIA to have traveled to the Pakistani tribal belt through Afghanistan and are planning ‘Mumbai-style’ attacks in Europe.
Alleged future attacks are being linked to the Pakistani tribal belt to help Washington push Pakistan into a new war in that region. Making such claims has become easy for the US and British governments.
Pakistan should India and the United States from exploiting Mumbai. And the best way to do this is to demand a wider probe into the full aspects of the Mumbai carnage and not limit the investigations to the Pakistani connection, which is weak and circumstantial at best.
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Mumbai plotter is FBI informant.
FBI was warned of Mumbai plotter's terrorism ties
By Sebastian Rotella
ProPublica
10/15/2010
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39692758...d_central_asia
http://www.hindustantimes.com/FBI-kn...e1-613662.aspx
FBI informant identified as in charge of Mumbai terrorist attacks
another FBI informant named Headley identified as mastermind behind Mumbai Terror event. Sound familiar?
Ancient FBI Crime family history
1993 1st World Trade Center bombing
Mastermind: Amed Salem
FBI informant: yes
FBI agent/handlers of Salem: FBI agents Anticev and Floyd
Oklahoma City bombing
Mastermind: Timothy McVeigh
FBI informant: yes
FBI agent/handler FBI agent Larry Potts
FBI knew Headley had LeT links in 2005
FBI knew Headley had LeT links in 2005
Yashwant Raj, Hindustan Times
Washington, October 16, 2010
see link for full story
http://www.hindustantimes.com/FBI-kn...e1-613662.aspx
All roads lead to Rome. All terror attacks lead to US intelligence.
Quote, "From Oswald to Sirhan to Ray to McVeigh; from the first bombing of the World Trade Center in ‘93 to their being blown up on 9-11; from Atta to Headley, it is the same story: double agents, patsies and false flags, treachery and treason in the American “intelligence community.” As Robert Kennedy came to see, the real Enemy Within. Before his own murder he revealed, “I asked (CIA director) McCone if they had killed my brother.”
http://forum.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=109129
Re: Mumbai plotter is FBI informant.
quote, "access to Headley and information given by him about the Mumbai attacks in which 166 people were killed. Specific information about Headley's trips were passed on to the Federal Bureau of Investigations by Headley's wife during investigations into her complaint of domestic violence against him in 2005.
In at least three interviews, Headley's wife told FBI investigators in New York of his trips to Pakistan to train with the Lashkar-i-Tayyeba, said a report by ProPublica, a non-profit US news entity, on Friday.
Headley and his wife lived in New York then; he ran video stores owned by his family in Manhattan.
The ProPublica report quoted federal sources to say the wife -- who was not named for her safety -- told the FBI that Headley had shopped around for night vision goggles and other equipment.
The wife also told agents that Headley had talked about working as a paid U.S. informant while he was training with the Lashkar in Pakistan, ProPublica said quoting a person close to the case.
Headley was arrested for domestic violence, but no charges were pressed against him. His next arrest came 11 months after the Mumbai attacks on a tip passed on to US asuthorities by British intelligence. Headley was arrested in October with an accomplaice Tahawwur Hussain Rana, a Canadian citizen. He pleaded guilty in a bargain deal with the authorites that prevents his extradiction to any other country (read India).
Headley, a US citizen of Pakistani descent, has since pleaded guilty to having a hand in the Mumbai shootings and planning an attack on a Danish newspaper for carrying a cartoon of Prophet Mohammad.
What if the FBI had acted on these tips? Or it did? Did it have anything to do with the fact that Headley was an agent of the Drugs Enforcement Agency? Or was it simply another missed opportunity?
But this information was never shared with India. In fact, the US had initially dithered giving Indian investigators access to Headley causing a minor diplomatic rift. In fact, India wanted to try Headley.
http://forum.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=109129
Re: Mumbai plotter is FBI informant.
20 months ago when Mumbai attack took place, I immediately point out that the mastermind was US intelligence. The above news proves my conclusion is very correct.
575. Mumbai attack (1) (12/5/08)
The mastermind of Mumbai attack is the US intelligence and is co-operated by Israel and India's intelligence.
1. The US has a record to manipulate terrorist group to work for its own interest. Or sometimes they call it (terrorist group) the opposition group. One sample is that CIA supported Majahideen in Afghanistan in 80s to fight against Soviet Union and later turns some group into Al Qaida as a false flag. Al Qaida still works for US intelligence. They created 911 to justify Bush's mid-east war. They bomb Iraq civilians in mosque to provoke conflict between Sunni and Shiite so giving US an excuse to stay in Iraq. (and to ask for more money from the House)
A terrorist group can't survive unless it is supported by some power. Because it needs money and weapon. So is the terrorist group in India.
2. The most important part of Mumbai attack is neglected by US media.
Quote, "Mumbai Attack - India and the Axis of Evil
By M Rafic Soormally (guest) <http://www.defimedia.info/authors/281/M-Rafic-Soormally-%28guest%29> Published 1st December, 2008
In early November 2008, the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS), headed by Hemant Karkare, arrested 10 Hindutva extremists, ....... in connection with the 8 Sept 2006 Malegaon bomb blasts in a Muslim cemetery in Maharashtra killing dozens of Muslim pilgrims and injuring scores more.The ATS investigation has uncovered connections with the Israeli MOSSAD whose Indian home-grown agents have infiltrated many Hindu organisations in India, as well as connections between the Indian military and Hindu extremist groups.....
.In the very early hours of the Mumbai attack on Nov. 26, the unknown terrorists eliminated Hemant Karare, Head of the ATS, along with Mumbai's additional commissioner of police Ashok Kamte and high-level police officer Vijay Salaskar, The Times Of India reported.The killers must have had inside information as Indian security services have been infiltrated.
http://www.defimedia.info/blogs/688/...s-of-Evil.html
Quote, "Mumbai The Mossad Angle
27 November 2008
And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare! He is dead-gone-the firing by terrorists began from Nariman House-which is the only building in Mumbai inhabited by Jews. Some Hindu Gujaratis of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels-they openly said that the firing by terrorists began from Nariman house. And that for two years suspicious activities were going on in this house. But no one took notice.
http://top-secret-at.blogspot.com/se...Mossad%20Angle
My comment: It was a well planed elimination. In which three high ranking police officers were shoot to death before they were going to find the black hand behind the extremist groups in India. They died in a trap set up by perpetrators. The news now says two gunmen raided the Nariman Jewish house on 11/26. It seems nothing was done on 11/27. At 7:00 on 11/28, commandos descended on the roof of the Jewish house. At 18:15 they declared the victory. Two gunmen achieved all this. Do you believe it?
The elimination of the three high ranking ATS police officers gave an important motivation of this terror attack. They were the target of this terror attack. The news later was full of the propaganda that "terrorist target on Americans and Britons". That is not motive. The local Hindu terror cell, targets on Muslim, have no hatred on American and British civilians. The accused Pakistan Lashkar-e-Taibe has no motive too. They target on India - for the land of Kashmir. Both have no motive. And both have no record to deliberately kill Americans or Britons. How could they suddenly go crazy to waste so large a resource to create new enemy? They even can't reach their own goal.
It is old tactic of Feds to tarnish Islam. When the media report that suicide bomber killed dozens of innocent civilians in market; when "Al Qaida" kept bombing mosques to kill innocent Muslim; do you believe someone really would sacrifice his own life to kill other innocent people? Mumbai bombing inherits this tradition - Al Qaida's or more accurately: US intelligence's.
When US media censors the important news from public, I knew the real perpetrator is Feds. They have the ability to control US media, they have the resource to create 911 attack and Mumbai bombing, and they have the motive.
MUMBAI ATTACKS WERE CARRIED OUT BY RAW-MOSSAD FROM MUMBAI CHABAD LUBAVITCH CENTRE (BAFS)
Nafeez Ahmed2 days ago9 min read
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A senior Indian police officer and anti-corruption investigator last month accused the Indian government of orchestrating the Mumbai terror attacks which occurred nearly seven years ago, according to an Indian government official.
R. V. S. Mani, a former undersecretary in India’s home ministry now in the urban development ministry, testified in July that a senior police officer who investigated the 2004 ‘encounter killings’ of four Indian Muslims in Gujarat by the Ahmedabad Police Crime Branch, had told him that the 2008 Mumbai attacks were “set up” by the Indian government.
The police officer, Satish Verma — currently Principal at the Police Training College in Junagadh — is well-known for his secondment to the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), India’s elite anti-corruption law enforcement agency, to lead the probe into the 2004 ‘encounter killings.’
The 2004 victims were Ishrat Jahan Raza, a 19-year-old girl from Mumbra, Maharashtra, and three men — Pranesh Pillai (alias Javed Gulam Sheikh), Amjad Ali Rana and Zeeshan Johar. Gujarat police authorities with the support of Indian government officials claimed that the killings were justified due to credible intelligence linking the four to Islamist terrorists.
Anti-corruption investigator blames government for terror
According to Mani, who has signed affidavits submitted to court on the encounter killings, Satish Verma privately accused successive Indian governments of “orchestrating” not only the Mumbai terror attacks, but also the December 2001 terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament in New Delhi.
Verma made the allegations while questioning Mani on Indian government claims that intelligence proved Ishrat Jahan’s links to Islamist terrorists. According to the Times of India, the former home ministry official revealed in his affidavits that Verma had said the terror attacks were set up by the government “with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation.”
Verma allegedly claimed that:
“… the 13.12. 2001(attack on Parliament) was followed by Pota (Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act) and 26/11 2008 (terrorists’ siege of Mumbai) was followed by amendment to the UAPA (Unlawful Activities Prevention Act).”
According to the Times, Verma refused to confirm or deny Mani’s account of his allegations. “I cannot speak to the media on such matters. Ask the CBI,” he said.
Neither Verma or Mani could be reached for comment.
The allegations have been used by the Indian government to cast doubt on Verma’s role in the CBI investigation
This is not the first time that the Indian government has attempted to use Verma’s work against him. In April last year, Verma complained before India’s Central Administrative Tribune that he was a target of government harassment due to its “intense dislike” of his work investigating the Israt Jahan fake encounter case, and the Gujarat government’s role in it.
Staged counter-terror operation
All three incidents — the 2001 attack on Parliament, 2004 ‘encounter killings’ and the 2011 Mumbai attacks — have been linked to terrorists from the al-Qaeda affiliated Pakistan-based group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which also has close ties to Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI).
The CBI’s investigation into the controversial 2004 ‘encounter killings’ found that they had been “staged” by Gujarat police forces, concluding there was no evidence justifying claims that Ishrat Jahan and her fellow victims were members of Lashkar-e-Taiba.
The verdict, outlined in the CBI’s 2013 chargesheet, stated that the police attacks were carried out in cold blood, and “staged” by Gujarat police and the government’s Intelligence Bureau (IB):
“The abovesaid fake encounter was a result of Joint operation of Gujarat Police and SIB [State Intelligence Bureau], Ahmedabad. In this operation the overt acts committed by the accused Gujarat Police officers have been established by the evidence on record.”
The CBI chargesheet corroborated the conclusions of an earlier investigation by an Ahmedabad Metropolitan court, which in 2009 had determined the killings were staged Gujarat intelligence and police officials.
Gujarat authorities claim that IB intelligence showed that Ishrat and the other men were planning to assassinate Modi on behalf of Lashkar-e-Taiba.
But according to the CBI probe, “the four people were illegally confined at three different farmhouses for days before the encounter on June 15, 2004.” India’s NDTV reported that the CBI probe had confirmed that weapons found near their bodies, including an AK-56, “were supplied by the Intelligence Bureau.”
India’s Intelligence Bureau: creating terror to fight terror
The Indian state of Gujarat, where incumbent Indian Prime Minister Narenda Modi was chief minister during this period, is home to a sizeable Muslim minority.
Reviewing the CBI chargesheet and related evidence, Indian journalists Hartosh Singh Bal and Mihir Srivastava noted that the CBI probe had confirmed the role of senior Indian IB officials, “including at least in one case the then IB head in Gujarat, Rajinder Kumar,” who is close to Narenda Modi.
Bal and Srivastava interviewed several senior IB officials who confirmed that “the Ishrat Jahan case was a successful IB operation,” but denied that the encounter victims were disassociated from terrorism.
“The encounter was fake no doubt, according to them, but the information that Ishrat and the other three were part of a larger terror network was true. They went on to say that this was a successful intelligence operation, as the IB was able to infiltrate their sleeper cell and plant informers.”
Bal and Srivastava’s account of one of these interviews provides further alarming evidence of the extent to which counter-terrorism intelligence operations can facilitate terrorism. One high-level Intelligence Bureau executive told the pair:
“… there are hundreds of operations underway at any point of time where an informer has been planted in a sleeper network. This involves being in the company of drug and arms dealers, fake currency smugglers, explosive experts and contract killers. Some operations involve working with the mafia and dealing in and supplying arms. There are safe houses in which certain terrorists are kept, briefed and debriefed, then pushed back into the terror network to extricate information.”
In one particularly alarming passage, the journalists recount that IB officials confirm about 5,000 telephone numbers are being monitored in Delhi. On “special occasions” Indian intelligence services make bespoke IB simcards “available to terror networks and sleeper cells to monitor their activities…
“There have been a few cases where attacks were carried out by terrorists using IB simcards. ‘If these cases were to be investigated, the CBI would say the IB carried out terror attacks. We have a job at hand,’ says the IB official.”
In this context, the revelation that CBI Israt Jahan probe member Satish Verma reportedly accuses the Indian government of facilitating other terrorist attacks linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba raises fundamental questions about the extent to which the lack of democratic oversight over intelligence methods is compromising national security.
The triple cross behind the Mumbai atrocity
Those questions are also relevant in light of the fact that alleged Mumbai attack terror mastermind, David Coleman Headley, was a longtime CIA asset and triple agent.
A previous Times of India investigation in late 2013 found that Headley, who had worked for the CIA for eleven years, had penetrated Lashkar-e-Taiba on behalf of the US intelligence agency and collaborated closely with senior Pakistani ISI officials in planning the Mumbai attacks, which killed 166 people and wounded 304.
Senior intelligence officials from a US Joint Terrorism Task Force described Headley as a “prized counter-terrorism asset,” whose “proximity” to the attack plans allowed the CIA to repeatedly tip off their Indian counterparts. But, the report revealed, despite his instrumental role in creating and executing those plans, Headley “was allowed to remain in place even as the attack was realized.”
A US intelligence official with expertise on Afghanistan and Pakistan denied that Headley was ever connected to the CIA on condition of anonymity.
Yet Headley’s intimate ties to the US intelligence community emerged in the 2011 Chicago terror trial of Headley’s alleged co-conspirator in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, Tahawwur Rana, during which Rana’s attorney Charlie Swift described Headley as a “master manipulator” who worked simultaneously for the US Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA), the CIA and Pakistan’s ISI.
Those allegations raised in court were vindicated when Swift obtained a ‘not guilty’ verdict for Rana for the Mumbai attacks, although Rana was instead convicted of providing support to Lashkar-e-Taiba.
According to the Times of India investigation by British journalists Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark, the Americans wanted to keep Headley running due to how he had gained the trust of a senior al-Qaeda operative, who was close to Osama bin Laden and among the al-Qaeda chief’s potential successors:
“Indian intelligence agents accused their US counterparts of protecting Headley and leaving him in the field, despite the imminent threat to Mumbai. Irate Indian officials claimed that Headley’s Mumbai plot was allowed to run on by his US controllers, as to spool it in would have jeopardized his involvement in another critical US operation.”
The CIA, on the other hand, pointed the finger straight back at India. One senior CIA official accused Indian intelligence of “incompetence” for failing to act on the US agency’s multiple detailed warnings of an impending Islamist assault on Mumbai.
Although many of the US bulletins even reached police authorities patrolling Mumbai, the intelligence warnings were “ignored or downplayed” by Indian officials according to the Times.
Ironically, both the CIA and Indian accusations and counter-accusations all appear to bear significant merit. US officials have maintained a studious silence on David Headley and his CIA patronage to this day, refusing to throw light on the conflict of interest that enabled the Mumbai terror mastermind to “run amok in the field,” in the words of the Times.
Simultaneously, the lack of an in-depth Indian government postmortem into the Mumbai attacks has permitted Indian intelligence agencies to evade awkward questions about their failure to pursue the CIA’s leads on the unfolding plot.
Cover-up
It is not just the Pakistani ISI, then, that has scrambled to cover-up its complicity in the Mumbai attacks. American and Indian intelligence agencies are also busy playing the blame game while maneuvering to conceal their own dubious roles in running ill-conceived intelligence operations enabling the terror attacks.
When under interrogation by Indian police, Headley was under the supervision of FBI officials at all times. Under his plea bargain with US authorities, he agreed to say no more than what he first confessed to the FBI, and in return will avoid the death penalty in the US, as well as extradition to India or Pakistan.
Confidential Indian intelligence records show that Headley had three local contacts on the ground in Mumbai who assisted him with his surveillance and reconnaissance activities in preparation for the terror plot. Yet for reasons unknown, Indian authorities chose not to investigate Headley’s local connections as identified in these files.
Even Headley’s alleged Pakistani handler, ISI officer Sajid Mir (also known as Sajeed Majeed) who played a major role in the Mumbai attacks, continues to operate with impunity.
Despite the US, French and Indian governments possessing detailed intelligence on Mir’s international terrorist activity, Pakistan continues to protect him with few objections from the West.
This has not stopped US and Indian intelligence agencies from giving each other a helping hand where it counts, while still pointing fingers.
Under US supervision and constrained by the terms of his plea bargain, Headley told Indian intelligence officers who had flown to Chicago in July 2010 that Israt Jahan was a member of Lashkar-e-Taiba’s suicide bomb squad.
Yet Headley’s reconnaissance missions for Lashkar began two years after Jahan and three other men were killed in the ‘fake encounter’, staged by Indian authorities according to a CBI investigation.
Headley’s claim was leapt on by Gujarat authorities to justify their story of the 2004 encounter killings.
Both US and Indian authorities, it seems, are keen to discredit the shocking conclusions of the CBI’s anti-corruption investigators.
Dr Nafeez Ahmed is an investigative journalist, bestselling author and international security scholar. A former Guardian writer, he writes the ‘System Shift’ column for VICE’s Motherboard, and is also a columnist for Middle East Eye.
He is the winner of a 2015 Project Censored Award, known as the ‘Alternative Pulitzer Prize’, for Outstanding Investigative Journalism for his Guardian work, and was selected in the Evening Standard’s ‘Power 1,000’ most globally influential Londoners.
Nafeez has also written for The Independent, Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, The Scotsman, Foreign Policy, The Atlantic, Quartz, Prospect, New Statesman, Le Monde diplomatique, New Internationalist, Counterpunch, Truthout, among others. He is a Visiting Research Fellow at the Faculty of Science and Technology at Anglia Ruskin University.
Nafeez is the author of A User’s Guide to the Crisis of Civilization: And How to Save It (2010), and the scifi thriller novel ZERO POINT, among other books. His work on the root causes and covert operations linked to international terrorism officially contributed to the 9/11 Commission and the 7/7 Coroner’s Inquest.
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'Unknown' gunman at Chattrapati Shivajirailway station, Mumbai, wearing a sacred Hindu wristband.
Acts of terror
There is no agreed definition of terrorism, but, according to the CIA, terrorism is the « premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. »According to former US Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, his country (the USA) is « the greatest purveyor of violence in the world ».That same country finances the worse kind of terrorist acts, the extermination of a large part of the population in Palestine as well as carries out acts of barbarity against defenceless citizens in both Afghanistan and Iraq.The US officially has the greatest army of mercenaries in the world, Blackwater, with 140,000 "contractors".
In recent history, people have witnessed terror against Native Americans, Aborigines, Maoris, Vietnamese, Indians of the sub-continent, Algerians and more.While the lands of the Aborigines, Maoris and Native Americans have been stolen, India became independent at the cost of partition giving birth to Pakistan and Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan).But the world is still witnessing European terror through invasion of sovereign countries, such as Iraq and Afghanistan, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of their people.The terrorist occupation of Palestine by Jewish Europeans, the killings of her people, including women, children and babies have been going on for half a century !
For her part, India is still occupying Kashmir, which was part of Moghal Hindustan, against the will of the Kashmiris, and committing unspeakable acts of terror against them.It is also a common practice for States which perpetrate and sponsor acts of terrorism to organise false flag operations against their own people and allies in order to blame the 'enemies' and rally support for their 'cause'.Often, they are caught but they are above the law.For example, members of the Irgun Jewish terrorist movement dressed up as Palestinian army officers attacked the British HQ at King David Hotel in 1946 Palestine.During the six-day war in 1967, the Israelis attacked USS Liberty and murdered many US non-combatants in an attempt to blame it on Egypt and suck the Americans into the war. (Ref. Phil Tourney, survivor of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty).Apart from the official conspiracy theories, it has been demonstrated that the 9/11 terror attacks against the World Trade Centre (WTC) and the Pentagon in 2001 were an inside job with Israeli involvement.In January 2000, Indian intelligence detained 11 'Muslim preachers' on the ground of hijacking conspiracy, but they turned out to be Israeli nationals sent with false passports to infiltrate Muslim organisations in India and were released.Similarly, the five dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11 « as suspected conspirators » when they were celebrating the attacks against the WTC were all released.[Ref. The Record, New Jersey, 12 Sept 2001].On 13 Sept 01, The New York Times reported that the group of five men (who turned out to be MOSSAD agents) had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack.
The recent terror attacks against the Marriott Hotel in Pakistan on 20 Sept 2008 had the hallmark of a military operation and not that of "Muslim terrorists"!Similarly, the well planned and sophisticated attacks in Mumbai on 26/11 by attackers against various targets, including the Taj Mahal and Oberoi Hotels, killing around 200 people have immediately been blamed on "Pakistan, Al-Qaeda and British Muslims".The Indian authorities say there were 12 such attackers, but many others 'escaped'.
« The deadly embrace » - CIA-MOSSAD connection
There is no denying that the United States and Israel have been grooming India to become a regional superpower for their benefits.In so doing, they have to persuade India that she is a victim of terror herself, especially from her enemies in Pakistan, occupied Kashmir and Muslim extremists within India proper.
Lal Krishna Advani, former Deputy Prime Minister of India [2002-2004], former President of the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), strong advocate of Hindutva (Hindu nationalism) and current Leader of the Opposition, met the heads of the MOSSAD when he visited Israel in June 2000 and advocated "closer India-Israeli cooperation on all security matters". [Note : Israelis were responsible of security during both the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks!].In the same year, The Times of India reported on the Israeli presence in India : « Israeli counter-terrorism experts are now touring Jammu and Kashmir and several other states in India at the invitation of Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani to make an assessment of New Delhi's security needs.The Israeli team, headed by Eli Katzir of the Israel Counter-Terrorism Combat Unit, includes Israeli military intelligence officials and a senior police official. »Indiahas forged a strategic alliance with Israelto perfect India 's methods of occupation of Kashmirwhere all Indian atrocities, mass graves of Kashmiris, shootings of civilians, rape and human rights abuses are brushed under the carpet like the atrocities perpetrated against Palestinians.
India's responsibility
The US have allowed India to set up military training camps in Afghanistan, and they are training, arming and financing rebels who are being sent to Pakistan to destabilise the government. The MOSSAD, Hamid Karzai and India are fuelling ethnic insurgency in South West Pakistan where China is building a strategic port. In addition, with her nuclear and military deals with the US and the launching of an Israeli satellite as the MOSSAD increases its control of India, India seems to pay lip service to her diverse peoples with a high risk of further partitions of India. Remember, it was India which financed and armed East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) to breakaway from then West Pakistan.She also boasted the sinking of alleged pirate ships within Somali coastal waters (19 Nov 08) to help the US and pro-US Saudis. Given India's behaviour, she should have been better prepared to prevent and deal with such attacks and not leave her people and visitors open to such risks.In this light, the Indian Home Minister Shivraj Patil and National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan have submitted their resignations (Sunday, 30 Nov 08).
The blame game
The first reaction of the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was to blame Pakistan.But witnesses suggested that the attackers « are probably members of an Indian militant group rather than foreigners » (The Independent, 27 Nov 08).It is also reported that the attacks were claimed by an unknown group called « Deccan Mujahideen » and the « Indian Mujahideen » from South India and trained in Bangladesh.Other suspects are a Kashmiri freedom group called Lashkar-e-Taiba held responsible for the bomb attacks on trains in 2006 and, of course, Al-Qa'ida which, apart from being a CIA-MOSSAD database, is a non-existant organisation.The Indian government asserted that some of the attackers were British-born Pakistanis from Leeds, Bradford and Hartlepool.It was also alleged that some have Malaysian and Mauritian links.
But, in spite of pointing his finger at Pakistan, in a telephone conversation with Pakistan PM Yousuf Raza Gilani on 28 Nov 08 PM Manmohan Singh urged Gilani to send his spy chief to share intelligence over the Mumbai attack.Pakistan has agreed to send a senior official to India.It does seem very strange that, even though there may be 'Pakistanis' among the attackers, Pakistan would be responsible for such an attack after President Asif Ali Zardari recently told the Indian government that Pakistan would not be the one to resort to first use of nuclear weapons, an announcement welcomed by India. It seems more likely to be the work of external forces, with internal complicity, which do not want peace between those two sister countries and sister communities.The plan is clearly to provoke a war between India and Pakistan as Pakistanis want to detach themselves from US murdering ventures.
Hindutva
As reported by Andrew Buncombe in Delhi, The Independent Thursday, 27th November 2008, « most of the attacks have been blamed on extremist Muslim groups but, in recent weeks, police have rounded up 10 members of what they say is its first Hindu terror cell ».In early November 2008, the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS), headed by Hemant Karkare, arrested 10 Hindutva extremists, including Dayanand Pandey (a prominent religious leader of Uttar Pradesh) belonging to Sangh Parivar, an umbrella organisation comprising the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), Bajrang Dal, and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, in connection with the 8 Sept 2006 Malegaon bomb blasts in a Muslim cemetery in Maharashtra killing dozens of Muslim pilgrims and injuring scores more.The ATS investigation has uncovered connections with the Israeli MOSSAD whose Indian home-grown agents have infiltrated many Hindu organisations in India, as well as connections between the Indian military and Hindu extremist groups.In the very early hours of the Mumbai attack on 26/11, the unknown terrorists eliminated Hemant Karare, Head of the ATS, along with Mumbai's additional commissioner of police Ashok Kamte and high-level police officer Vijay Salaskar, The Times Of India reported.The killers must have had inside information as Indian security services have been infiltrated.One of the 'unknown' terrorist caught on CCTV camera at the Chattrapati Shivaji railway station wore a sacred Hindu wristband.The victims included Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jews, Indians, Britons, Americans and a Mauritian.
Conclusion
India has the strength to overcome this trauma.She must and she will take all necessary measures to prevent such carnage happening again on Indian soil and make all efforts to live in peace with her neighbours and resolve the issue of Kashmir peacefully.At the same time, India must look at the underlying causes of this serious problem and review her association with the perpetrators of terror and occupation around the world as well as the infiltration of terrorists into local organisations and her security services.India must return to her non-aligned philosophy, demand the removal of all terrorist occupiers from nearby countries and the closing of the terror base at Diego Garcia Mauritius.India must understand that she does not form part of the European West which is in quest of hegemony and world domination.If India allows herself to be recruited into this Axis of Evil, the destruction and further partitions of India seem inevitable.India's 'security' arrangements with Israel and the US may well be the source of her problems as they do not serve Indian interests.
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Mumbai Attack - India and the Axis of Evil
M Rafic Soormally
« India has suffered a series of terror attacks in recent months but last night's massacre – with a combination of grenades and automatic weapons – marks a new and deadly milestone in its continuing battle against extremists. Most of the attacks have been blamed on extremist Muslim groups but, in recent weeks, police have rounded up 10 members of what they say is its first Hindu terror cell. », The Independent, Andrew Buncombe in Delhi, Thursday, 27th November 2008.
« With a traumatized nation and a paralyzed government, a core group of secular right-wing ideologues and Hindu nationalists are executing a 'soft coup' in New Delhi to bring to power hawks who want to pursue America's agenda of grooming India as a regional policeman, sort out Pakistan and confront China. India will self-destroy in the process. India's military and intelligence has been penetrated. The man who uncovered the plot, Hemant Karkare, the antiterrorism chief of Mumbai police, was the first target of the mysterious terrorists. Patriotic Indians need to wake up and save their country. » Ahmad Quraishi, Saturday, 29 November 2008.
Rafic Soormally
Lundi 1 Décembre 2008
'Unknown' gunman at Chattrapati Shivajirailway station, Mumbai, wearing a sacred Hindu wristband.
There is no agreed definition of terrorism, but, according to the CIA, terrorism is the « premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. »According to former US Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, his country (the USA) is « the greatest purveyor of violence in the world ».That same country finances the worse kind of terrorist acts, the extermination of a large part of the population in Palestine as well as carries out acts of barbarity against defenceless citizens in both Afghanistan and Iraq.The US officially has the greatest army of mercenaries in the world, Blackwater, with 140,000 "contractors".
In recent history, people have witnessed terror against Native Americans, Aborigines, Maoris, Vietnamese, Indians of the sub-continent, Algerians and more.While the lands of the Aborigines, Maoris and Native Americans have been stolen, India became independent at the cost of partition giving birth to Pakistan and Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan).But the world is still witnessing European terror through invasion of sovereign countries, such as Iraq and Afghanistan, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of their people.The terrorist occupation of Palestine by Jewish Europeans, the killings of her people, including women, children and babies have been going on for half a century !
For her part, India is still occupying Kashmir, which was part of Moghal Hindustan, against the will of the Kashmiris, and committing unspeakable acts of terror against them.It is also a common practice for States which perpetrate and sponsor acts of terrorism to organise false flag operations against their own people and allies in order to blame the 'enemies' and rally support for their 'cause'.Often, they are caught but they are above the law.For example, members of the Irgun Jewish terrorist movement dressed up as Palestinian army officers attacked the British HQ at King David Hotel in 1946 Palestine.During the six-day war in 1967, the Israelis attacked USS Liberty and murdered many US non-combatants in an attempt to blame it on Egypt and suck the Americans into the war. (Ref. Phil Tourney, survivor of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty).Apart from the official conspiracy theories, it has been demonstrated that the 9/11 terror attacks against the World Trade Centre (WTC) and the Pentagon in 2001 were an inside job with Israeli involvement.In January 2000, Indian intelligence detained 11 'Muslim preachers' on the ground of hijacking conspiracy, but they turned out to be Israeli nationals sent with false passports to infiltrate Muslim organisations in India and were released.Similarly, the five dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11 « as suspected conspirators » when they were celebrating the attacks against the WTC were all released.[Ref. The Record, New Jersey, 12 Sept 2001].On 13 Sept 01, The New York Times reported that the group of five men (who turned out to be MOSSAD agents) had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack.
The recent terror attacks against the Marriott Hotel in Pakistan on 20 Sept 2008 had the hallmark of a military operation and not that of "Muslim terrorists"!Similarly, the well planned and sophisticated attacks in Mumbai on 26/11 by attackers against various targets, including the Taj Mahal and Oberoi Hotels, killing around 200 people have immediately been blamed on "Pakistan, Al-Qaeda and British Muslims".The Indian authorities say there were 12 such attackers, but many others 'escaped'.
« The deadly embrace » - CIA-MOSSAD connection
There is no denying that the United States and Israel have been grooming India to become a regional superpower for their benefits.In so doing, they have to persuade India that she is a victim of terror herself, especially from her enemies in Pakistan, occupied Kashmir and Muslim extremists within India proper.
Lal Krishna Advani, former Deputy Prime Minister of India [2002-2004], former President of the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), strong advocate of Hindutva (Hindu nationalism) and current Leader of the Opposition, met the heads of the MOSSAD when he visited Israel in June 2000 and advocated "closer India-Israeli cooperation on all security matters". [Note : Israelis were responsible of security during both the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks!].In the same year, The Times of India reported on the Israeli presence in India : « Israeli counter-terrorism experts are now touring Jammu and Kashmir and several other states in India at the invitation of Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani to make an assessment of New Delhi's security needs.The Israeli team, headed by Eli Katzir of the Israel Counter-Terrorism Combat Unit, includes Israeli military intelligence officials and a senior police official. »Indiahas forged a strategic alliance with Israelto perfect India 's methods of occupation of Kashmirwhere all Indian atrocities, mass graves of Kashmiris, shootings of civilians, rape and human rights abuses are brushed under the carpet like the atrocities perpetrated against Palestinians.
India's responsibility
The US have allowed India to set up military training camps in Afghanistan, and they are training, arming and financing rebels who are being sent to Pakistan to destabilise the government. The MOSSAD, Hamid Karzai and India are fuelling ethnic insurgency in South West Pakistan where China is building a strategic port. In addition, with her nuclear and military deals with the US and the launching of an Israeli satellite as the MOSSAD increases its control of India, India seems to pay lip service to her diverse peoples with a high risk of further partitions of India. Remember, it was India which financed and armed East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) to breakaway from then West Pakistan.She also boasted the sinking of alleged pirate ships within Somali coastal waters (19 Nov 08) to help the US and pro-US Saudis. Given India's behaviour, she should have been better prepared to prevent and deal with such attacks and not leave her people and visitors open to such risks.In this light, the Indian Home Minister Shivraj Patil and National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan have submitted their resignations (Sunday, 30 Nov 08).
The blame game
The first reaction of the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was to blame Pakistan.But witnesses suggested that the attackers « are probably members of an Indian militant group rather than foreigners » (The Independent, 27 Nov 08).It is also reported that the attacks were claimed by an unknown group called « Deccan Mujahideen » and the « Indian Mujahideen » from South India and trained in Bangladesh.Other suspects are a Kashmiri freedom group called Lashkar-e-Taiba held responsible for the bomb attacks on trains in 2006 and, of course, Al-Qa'ida which, apart from being a CIA-MOSSAD database, is a non-existant organisation.The Indian government asserted that some of the attackers were British-born Pakistanis from Leeds, Bradford and Hartlepool.It was also alleged that some have Malaysian and Mauritian links.
But, in spite of pointing his finger at Pakistan, in a telephone conversation with Pakistan PM Yousuf Raza Gilani on 28 Nov 08 PM Manmohan Singh urged Gilani to send his spy chief to share intelligence over the Mumbai attack.Pakistan has agreed to send a senior official to India.It does seem very strange that, even though there may be 'Pakistanis' among the attackers, Pakistan would be responsible for such an attack after President Asif Ali Zardari recently told the Indian government that Pakistan would not be the one to resort to first use of nuclear weapons, an announcement welcomed by India. It seems more likely to be the work of external forces, with internal complicity, which do not want peace between those two sister countries and sister communities.The plan is clearly to provoke a war between India and Pakistan as Pakistanis want to detach themselves from US murdering ventures.
Hindutva
As reported by Andrew Buncombe in Delhi, The Independent Thursday, 27th November 2008, « most of the attacks have been blamed on extremist Muslim groups but, in recent weeks, police have rounded up 10 members of what they say is its first Hindu terror cell ».In early November 2008, the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS), headed by Hemant Karkare, arrested 10 Hindutva extremists, including Dayanand Pandey (a prominent religious leader of Uttar Pradesh) belonging to Sangh Parivar, an umbrella organisation comprising the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), Bajrang Dal, and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, in connection with the 8 Sept 2006 Malegaon bomb blasts in a Muslim cemetery in Maharashtra killing dozens of Muslim pilgrims and injuring scores more.The ATS investigation has uncovered connections with the Israeli MOSSAD whose Indian home-grown agents have infiltrated many Hindu organisations in India, as well as connections between the Indian military and Hindu extremist groups.In the very early hours of the Mumbai attack on 26/11, the unknown terrorists eliminated Hemant Karare, Head of the ATS, along with Mumbai's additional commissioner of police Ashok Kamte and high-level police officer Vijay Salaskar, The Times Of India reported.The killers must have had inside information as Indian security services have been infiltrated.One of the 'unknown' terrorist caught on CCTV camera at the Chattrapati Shivaji railway station wore a sacred Hindu wristband.The victims included Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jews, Indians, Britons, Americans and a Mauritian.
Conclusion
India has the strength to overcome this trauma.She must and she will take all necessary measures to prevent such carnage happening again on Indian soil and make all efforts to live in peace with her neighbours and resolve the issue of Kashmir peacefully.At the same time, India must look at the underlying causes of this serious problem and review her association with the perpetrators of terror and occupation around the world as well as the infiltration of terrorists into local organisations and her security services.India must return to her non-aligned philosophy, demand the removal of all terrorist occupiers from nearby countries and the closing of the terror base at Diego Garcia Mauritius.India must understand that she does not form part of the European West which is in quest of hegemony and world domination.If India allows herself to be recruited into this Axis of Evil, the destruction and further partitions of India seem inevitable.India's 'security' arrangements with Israel and the US may well be the source of her problems as they do not serve Indian interests.
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March 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pm You undermine your argument when you say that Jews have sick minds. You can’t cancel out racism. When you counter racism with racism you just get more racism.
Furthermore, you article doesn’t debunk anything. If it is indeed a fact that there is no support for the 72 virgins in the Koran, this fact says nothing about suicide bombers actually believe. The Koran doesn’t have a dress code for women, but many Muslim countries do. I also doubt the Koran says you should kill your daughter if she is raped either, but this happened in Palestine recently.
What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is horrible, but what you have written here has little to contribute to solving the problem.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:16 am How does making the statement, “jews have sick minds” equate to racism? It may amount to stereotyping, but racism? And what of a group of people who lower themselves to making all kinds of slanderous, malicious accusations about another group, that’s NOT sickness (whether of the mind or the heart)? As far as your accusation that this article does nothing to “debunk” the myth, perhaps that’s because your mind refuses to receive the message. What an individual suicide bomber believes or does because of beliefs he/she holds has little to do with the actual message conveyed by the Quran (you NEED a little help with your spelling as well). I think the author did a marvelous job conveying the point that neither the Quran nor the Hadiths advocates, condones or encourages suicide. Another point you’re WRONG about is the Quran NOT having a dress code for women, perhaps you should look at sura 24, ayat 31 (strike two). Your last argument makes a pathetic attempt at linking a cultural crime (honor killing) to the religion of Islam as well (I’m beginning to get the impression that you’re one of the media people the author writes about). May I suggest that you take a quick look at sura 6, ayat 140 (strike three, you’re out). You speak as though you have some understanding or knowledge of Islam, but upon delving deeper into your response, it’s obvious to me that you’re no better than what you attempt to label the author as being.
March 6th, 2007 at 3:12 am Ya know . . . when I see anyone blowing their sorry rear ends up and taking out women and children - and even innocent men - in the process, that is sick, twisted, and doomed to earn one a heck of a debt load on some other plane. I don’t care if they’re Israeli, Iraqi, Palestinian, whatever. I don’t care who got offended, but violence will only continue to breed violence, and as long as one idiot blows himself up in response to another idiot blowing himself up, wooooo. Aren’t we all smart?
March 6th, 2007 at 3:38 am Hey Dave,
Here’s the definition taken from Answers.com:
rac·ism (rā’sĭz’əm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
racist rac’ist adj. & n.
Your question was “How does making the statement, “jews have sick minds” equate to racism? It may amount to stereotyping, but racism?”
By definition, yes, the statement “Jews have sick minds” is racist. It is a statement of belief that race (Jews) accounts for differences in character or ability (have sick minds).
It’s a blanket statement, Dave. If the comment was “some Jews have sick minds,” that would not be racist. But the blanket statement, according to the definition, is, in fact, a racist statement.
If you like we can also look at the second definition: “Discrimination or prejudice based on race.”
Answers.com also tells us that Discrimination is “Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit.” The statement “Jews have sick minds” is also, by definition, descriminatory and prejudicial.
Oh, yes, one more minor thing. The fact that Egypt is the only Muslim country that recognizes the State of Israel, and the other Islamic countries do not - and that said countries wish to see Israel wiped off the map, is that not a belief that one race (the Arabs) believe they are better than the Jews?
Again — would that not be (by definition) racism?
If you have an issue with this, don’t blame me - It’s the Answers.com definition that you’d have a problem with. I’m just the messenger.
March 6th, 2007 at 3:46 am Hey, wait! I’ve been talking with the enemy.
In the upper right corner of this page it says “This is g-hod” How coy.
What is jihad? It’s a Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels.
And since I’m an “infidel” (being that I’m not Muslim), I suppose these guys perceive themselves to be at war with me.
Not a good thing, this chatting with the enemy. Watch it, guys! Your deception is showing.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:03 am [It is reported that a suicide bomber is] NOT a person disobeying Islam, but a Muslim imbued with Islamic religious fervor committed a suicide.
Well, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:12 am It is true that the suicide bombers and dress codes and discrimintion against women are mostly cultural things, but that culture is underpinned by Islam, and the interpretation of the Quran by Islamic leaders. While the Quran doesn’t condone suicide, it does condone the killing of “infidels” all over the place. Just like Christians interpret the bible to suit their needs, so do the Muslims with the Quran. The suicide bombers are in fact thinking they are doing it for Allah and that they will be martyrs. Only religion and belief in god can have this kind of power over people, which is why religion is dangerous, and should never be mixed with politics.
There was an excellent French documentary a few years ago when a French muslim journalist infiltrated a small terrorist group in Paris, and they were clearly recruiting and brainwashing people purely by using scriptures and the promise of becoming a martyr and having the 72 (I think it was 12 actually) virgins. We all know that’s not really what the Quran is about, but that’s how it isbeing used by fundamentalists.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:46 am i agree, and it is also the traditional teachings of Islam that indiscrimanate killing is wrong and goes against the commands of God. Quran”..if they incline towards peace, then you incline towards peace.” i also accept the response on racism. muslims the world over need to stop throwing the baby out with the bath water. there are many jews in israel and around the world that are rejecting the actions of israel and even some who are calling for the PEACEFUL dismantling of the ZIONIST state (government) of israel. not wiping them of the map. and by the way, pres. ahmadenijad didn’t call for the wiping of israel of the map. the CORPORATE media of the west translated to their liking. the proper translation of the farsi was to wipe the ZIONIST STATE(THE GOVERNMENT) of israel off the map, not the entire population. people call him the new hitler and an anti-semite. then tell me, why is there a very large community of jews living in iran? why hasn’t he rounded them up and gased them? let’s think outside of fox news people. just as the muslims need to accept the responsibility of their guilt in perpetrating of the hatred of jews, israel and the rest of the world need to accept the responsibility of thier illegal confiscation of the land of palestine since 1946. someone please tell what moral highground is there for israel and the jews who support the agenda of israel to stand upon. they are stealing peoples land. there is no justification. and by the way, this conflict didn’t start in 2000 or 1967. go back to world war 1 and the balfour declaration and them study the imigration of jews from that point until now. and just because you question the state of israel doesn’t make you an anti-semite. that is the most foolish ill-logic i’ve ever witnessed. the power of labeling people has reached new heights. now the term jihad has never until the 20th century been understood to mean holy war. those actual words come from the wonderful christian crusades to take back the holy land. in islam, the traditional understanding was that when people resorted to war or physically fighting, meant that there was a break down in communication of compromise on both sides. and that has traditionally been understood to be terrible. not HOLY. i don’t know if you got that definition from answers.com, but i know you wouldn’t accept a definition or an interpretation of christianity from middle-eastern islamic sources. so please, show the same respect for islam. the problem is that on both sides we have this mindset and even brainwash of us and them. and in most cases, us against them. like pres. bush said, your either with us, or your with the terrorist. i’m not with either one right now, because their both terrorizing and kiling innocent people indiscrimanately. just because our government is doing it, doesn’t make it right. now laves sus manos, please look up the definition of terrorism, and you will see that that is exactly what we are doing in iraq and afganistan with f-16s and u.s. soldiers. i support our don’t just to conclusions,but my idea of supporting the troops is to bring them home out of harms way for no reason. thank you for you time. i pray God will guide us to peace and not just in the middle-east.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:52 am well what about the evangelicals here in america, onward christian soldier being sung in churches across america by our youngest children. sounds like the crusades have never really ended, the west just had to regroup.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:53 am that sounds like brainwash to me.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:49 pm I recently completed a 6 credit course called the Religious Quest that focused on world “book” religions that founded religious beliefs, customs/rituals on sacred scripture. It was taught from an historical perspective and was presented via a worldview (ethical, experiential, mythic, doctrinal and social dimensions) to categorize them for comparison and lend a philosophical perspective. One of the textbooks was “Religious Traditions of the World” by H. Byron Earhart, 1993 HarperCollins. On page 639 Earhart mentions that The Quar’an “speaks of heavenly gardens, with sheltering trees, pure brooks and rivers, beautiful serving maidens.” There was also mention of dress for women but the Quar’an (or maybe it is in the Sunna) only mentioned Muhammad’s words that women should be “covered” when going out. The extent of this covering is left to interpretation. Interpreration of the Quar’an is via “Hadiths” that are scholarly and authentic interpretations (additional books) of Muhammad’s words.
As a woman, I would not be the slightest bit interested in beautiful serving maidens after death. The fact that beautiful serving maidens are even mentioned at all as a descriptor of paradise smacks of a worldly and male perspective. But that is not the point of my post.
When one has studied the history and origins of numerous religions they all seem to meld. They all begin somewhere - with a human being. The sacred text, the Bible, is not the words of the Christ himself but rather, records written many decades and centuries after his death. Yet Christians still view the Bible as a sacred text. Followers can claim a self-proclaimed prophet as divine; indeed the Buddha himself did not believe in any God and spoke against monotheism and polytheism, however, many of his followers, in turn, made him divine and spawned a hybrid religion but still called it Buddhism (in China & Japan). Religion, whether based upon sacred texts or not, should be a personal choice or conviction and not foisted upon anyone else. The success of Christianity (its spread) is attributed primarily to missionaries spreading the word. The success of Islam is attributed to war and the conquering of lands where those who were not Muslim or Christians had to pay a poll tax unless they converted. The bottom line is that all religions based upon sacred texts have interpretations of those texts (the Catholics when assembling the Bible included books that are not found in the Protestant Bible) and we as human beings need to decide for ourselves if these interpretations are reasonable and fair. Most of the atrocities committed in the name of religion have been truthfully rooted in economic and power issues NOT in religious merit. So when the Jews are maligned, it is not really their religion that is a problem, it is the power they wield in the name of religion. The U.S. founders were wise when they wanted to separate church and state. It is never a wise move to merge politics and religion - it only serves to diminish the potential good of religious principles.
March 6th, 2007 at 2:01 pm In his essay, “Nashid” says that suicide is not rewarded so the suicide bombers cannot be acting to receive a reward. This is misleading, for being a suicide bomber is not considered “suicide”, but an act of jihad, an act of “holy war”, for which the “warrior” indeed supposely receives reward. Even Osama bin Laden, in his famous 1996 fatwa declaring war against Americans and Jews, reminded the “faithful” that they can expect the reward of the 72 Houries. You can read it for yourself at any number of websites, one of them is “http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html”.
Oh, and it should be clear that suicide bombing is not limited to misguided Palestinian Muslims. Today in Iraq two suicide bomber waded into a thick crowd of Shiia pilgrims in Hilla on their way to Karbala and detonated explosive vests, killing at least 77 people and wounding 127 others, according to the Karbala police.
And how many busses have the murderers blown up in Israel? The Palestine suicide bombers frequently record videotapes shortly before they strike. In the videotapes they stand holding the Quran in one hand and a rifle in the other, and say that they’re going to commit an act of Jihad. And remember the suicide bombings in London on 7 July 2006?
On Palestinian Arab TV and in their schools they encourage children to suicide bombing! See Palestinian Media Watch at
“http://www.pmw.org.il/ASK%20FOR%20DEATH.htm”.
All of the above demonstrates that suicide bombing is part of Islamic culture.
March 6th, 2007 at 5:25 pm preach it! If only so many other people would read this post!
March 6th, 2007 at 5:36 pm Laves Sus Manos:
The statement is not, and cannot be racist, based simply on the fact that the Jews are not a race - they are a RELIGION. Would “scientologists have sick minds” be a racist statement? Of course not.
And the Jews constantly attack Christianity and Islam, all over the TV and in print. So what is the difference?
Jews as a race is a fallacy. It was created for the obvious purpose of allowing them to do whatever they want. “Anti-antisemitism” would be an example of racism. But the only real anti-Semites I know of are the Ashkenazi Jews, who are non-semitic, and quite often have a deep rooted hatred for the Arabs (as well as the Sephardi Jews), who are semitic.
They’re boxing us in with language and PC mind control. It’s a game, man. A frigging racket, more like.
March 6th, 2007 at 7:47 pm I am an infydel, a gentyle, a blasphymer, a bad speller, and most of the time a bad atheist. But if your interested in my opinion, war has nothing to do with god. It is manipulation in all its forms, and what’s worse it shrouds itself in everything we hold dear.
forgive the creator, and show our love every day
March 7th, 2007 at 12:41 am A lotta “good” responses posted here and what seems to be a rather healthy and respectful debate (no name calling yet). Laves, don’t know what answers.com has to say about character (didn’t care enough to look), but to me, a person’s character runs much deeper than just their mindset. To me character includes how a person conducts themself; speaks, moves, responds to stimuli/situations, dresses, grooms themselves (I suppose answers.com WILL no doubt say that these things are ALL controlled by the mind thusly making you ultimately correct once again). I think that the first respondent’s interpretation of what the author meant by what he/she said gives creedance to “moderate’s” point (by the way, pres. ahmadenijad didn’t call for the wiping of israel off the map). Another’s interpretation of what someone says goes a long way toward fueling a debate. “tga”, I disagree completely (but that culture is underpinned by Islam). A little research would easily awaken you to the fact that suicide is nothing solely practiced by militant muslims;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
As far as dress codes and discrimintion against women goes, I would have this to say, the dress code of Islam draws so much attention and fire from non-muslims because it’s 180 degrees outta sync with their (non-muslim) accepted norms. 20/20 (or one of those “investigative journalism” shows) did an interesting segment where they had a hot babe dressed rather scantily, standing next to her broke down car on the roadside (cellular phone in hand AND making a call for aid). She couldn’t beat the guys off fast enough who stopped and almost insisted on helping. Then they put an overweight woman, dressed rather plainly in the same situation (do I need to draw a picture). While Islam preaches and encourages (I’m talking about the religion here, NOT the followers) modest dress and the concealment of a woman’s physical attributes, non-muslim culture (as a whole, NOT all) encourages revealing these attributes. Dispute me “if” you feel so inclined, I’ll merely refer you to the booming cosmetic, fashion and plastic surgery industries (not to mention porn, prostitution, etc.). Discrimintion against women, hmmm I wonder WHY they have a femminist movement and equal rights ammendment in the U.S.? Because “All men” are created equal perhaps? Lastly, this notion that jihad means “Holy war against the infidels” is worn out by the people promoting that line of thinking. For Pete’s sake people, if ya wanna know about Islam, ask a muslim, NOT a non-muslim (that’s like asking a Dem about the RePub party, O’Reilly about anyone else’s opinion beside his or a Redneck about blacks). Jihad means struggle and each and every one of us has one that we deal with on a daily basis. To oversimplify that by summing it up as a Holy war against the infidels is a simplistic explanation for the weak-minded and ignorant.
March 7th, 2007 at 7:24 am moderatefundamentalamericanmodernmuslim Says:
“…and by the way, pres. ahmadenijad didn’t call for the wiping of israel of the map…”
Well, Al Jazeera says: “Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.”
http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=15816
March 10th, 2007 at 3:53 am WAY TO GO ED! Take the translation of an Arabic news entity to “correctly” interpret the language of Farsi. Betcha Al Jazeera’s opinion on anything going on in Afghanistan OR Iarq that didn’t jive with the U.S.’s official story wouldn’t rate squat with you, would it Ed? Supertramp did a song on their Crisis what crisis album (yep, they were vinyl albums back in the day) that contained the line, “I hear, only what I want to hear, but, I have to believe in something, have to believe in just one thing.” Go for it Ed! Or if ya wanna get a REAL clue…
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=5866
Oh and by the way Ed, incase ya haven’t heard, Ahmadinejad wasn’t one of the Iranians responsible for the taking of American hostages back in 1979.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8442940/
And he even believes Zionists are different from Jews…
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3305123,00.html
One thing I am a bit curious about Ed, what’s your take on the article connected to THIS link?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3983-2005Mar26.html
March 16th, 2007 at 4:14 am Debunking 72 Virgins Myth
- If Paradise by its definition is a place where all wishes are answered then how can there be a limit to how many virgins, non virgins, heavenly maidens or scoops of ice cream one desires.
The enemies of Islam spread this crap to mock Islam and most people as stupid as they are buy it hook, line and sinker. They never read between the lines or attempt to look and evaluate what is being said.
I appreciate the writer’s effort. Keep it up. But just one advice “Follow the way of the Prophet” in that hate the sin not the sinner. And say this as much a reminder to myself as you. It doesn’t benefit anyone to insult people. The Prophet never did that infact he prayed for people that oppressed him and tried to kill him. It is better to be oppressed than to oppress.
May Allah reward you and guide you. I am a big fan and you are doing amazing work and the closer you are to the Prophet, the more impact it will have.
April 5th, 2007 at 4:01 pm whats so bad about 72 virgins? hey i wouldnt mind. but what do the women get ?
LOL women are not people
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 pm First of all let’s get to the number 72 for the number of virgins. Astro-theology is where all these religions came from. The precession of the equinox takes 72 years to move 1 degree and to move all 360 degrees takes 25,920 years which is why 2012 is so important. It will be the end of the big year or the full 25,920, as we start to move from Pisces to Aquarius. So all these stories are just metaphors for Astrological numbers. The Catholic church started Islam in 700 AD so guess what folks? The vatican has been screwing with all of us for a long, long time. The Vatican and Illuminati are walk in step and are all involved with the New World Order. How many agent provacatuers over the years did it take to get all of us fighting with each other over the years. Muslims aren’t any different than us in the fact that they have been hoodwinked.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:55 pm Let me pose this question - where is the outcry and preaching for peace and cessation of acts of terror by Islam leaders and preachers? Who of them cared to publicly condemn and divorce the idea of suicide and killing of the innocent? In what mosque, press conference or public gathering has something like that sounded: “Dear faithful, we do not approve and encourage anyone to go out that way; to kill is wrong in our religion of peace.” It would help me if any one could point me to the sources where I could see that?
July 26th, 2008 at 6:23 pm Good point interested. As I read the above lamenting of symantecs, spelling, historical correctness and/or relivence, and other “I’m smarter than you” comparisons of each other; what seems to be missing is that the sheer love of peace and life is undervalued. Does not the Islamic religion have a hierarchy of clerics with the top cleric held as divine on this earth as the pope is to the catholics? Could not the cheif cleric or “holyman” put forth a messages of peace that over-rules the violent intent of those who preach the glory of Shahada?
Seems like the consensus is that Muslims are peaceful and their teachings are of peace, but then in turn, this whole martyr business is viewed as more glorious than life itself. Kids are taught that this life has no value and that the afterlife should be hastily pursued. If you don’t have a cause, find one and fulfil your destiny. (Of course, there is always a cause) Where is the top religious leaders’ public outcry against this activity?
Here’s the problem as I see it: Religion has forever been used by the people who would put themselves in charge to control the masses. It is used for personal power and gain by the few. Any leader of any people who use Religion as a basis from which to rule, is using it for what it has been used for from the beginning. Control. And because people don’t know better, they fall right into it. I’m excluding no country or leader here. If you kill in the name of religion, you are just as oppressive as the one’s you kill.
I agree with the comments about the twisted truths of all media. Especially state run media. There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news. We get fed so much bull to sway public oppinion from who to vote for and how to live, to what to die for and who to kill.
Unfortunately, how can anyone come up with a workable solution when the information we are given to come up with a solution is twisted bull crap? Crap in, crap out. And that’s that.
This of course is my oppinion and we are all entitled to it.
December 8th, 2009 at 3:28 am I’ve recently started a blog, the information you provide on this site has helped me tremendously. Thank you for all of your time & work.
November 28th, 2010 at 3:56 am I have encountered the DEVIL in this world more than I have encountered GOD! I have not GOD to always tell the truth and humans to almost always hate the truth! The Devil always speaks lies even when he tells some truths mixed with them. So, why should I ever trust the DEVIL?
I am still waiting for those MALES (who promote ad nauseum that the highest spiritual goal of Muslims is to be rewarded with 72 physical virgins) to tell us what they find so good in virgins that some human beings will live their entire lives not smoking, not stealing, not committing adultery, honouring their parents, not telling lies, not worshipping idols, sharing what they have, loving their neighbours, not making any false testimony, fasting, praying, travelling at great expense to perform pilgrimage, not getting rich by practicing usury, not practising the rape of women, girls and babies, not invading other nations’ countries and plundering their wealth, and so on?
Only perverts may have an answer to this question because they are so obsessed with virgins and because they live in a culture where raping virgins and deriving immense pleasure from it is part of that culture. It is in that same culture that you may end up behind bars for only a few months or only a few years for RAPING A 12 WEEK OLD BABY! How do you rape a 12 week-old baby? Well, they had Einstein amongst their most intelligent people; they can perform all kind of abominations that we can even hardly imagine and even get the Nobel Prize for them!
All this stuff about the 72 heavenly physical virgins and the love of suicide to get them comes straight from the PROPAGANDA BOOK OF THE WEST AND OF APARTHEID ISRAEL! This is Satan’s handiwork that the Zionist controlled media is promoting daily and for decades!
Basheer Ahmad Frémaux-Soormally
SOVEREIGN FREEMAN ON THE LAND
Servant of GOD and of no man or government
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